Comments on: Obama Oversees $40 Million Renovation of Gitmo http://davidkretzmann.com/2012/07/obama-oversees-40-million-renovation-of-gitmo/ Pursuing a Free, Voluntary, Peaceful World Sun, 13 Oct 2013 21:20:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.6 By: A.Oscar http://davidkretzmann.com/2012/07/obama-oversees-40-million-renovation-of-gitmo/#comment-4037 A.Oscar Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:37:43 +0000 http://davidkretzmann.com/?p=1723#comment-4037 My problem stay into most of USA Presidents priest’s into democracy; that means every country should be left alone and not constantly show force with provocations constantly. Guantanamo in Cuba should be abolish once and for all, that belong to Cuba, but USA are the stronger there for abuse the own power to be Imperialist around the world. America having so many problems at home; which the population also having now be harassed by Mr. Obama, inclusive now the Government want chipped school children like have done on dogs. That is a real discrimination to human beings. A.Oscar

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By: David Henley http://davidkretzmann.com/2012/07/obama-oversees-40-million-renovation-of-gitmo/#comment-3732 David Henley Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:03:06 +0000 http://davidkretzmann.com/?p=1723#comment-3732 “Why don’t you point out that it is only CONGRESS that did this…and only CONGRESS that can shut it down. Shame on you.”

Hmm, poor thing has never heard of Executive Orders which bypass Congress. I’m shocked! (No, not really)

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By: Jeff Stevens http://davidkretzmann.com/2012/07/obama-oversees-40-million-renovation-of-gitmo/#comment-3671 Jeff Stevens Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:26:21 +0000 http://davidkretzmann.com/?p=1723#comment-3671 Respectfully:
1) Conservatives were running against Obama because he’d “close Gitmo”. Now we get to beat him over the head for not doing it? Not really fair.
2) Sometimes when you get in office, you know things you didn’t know before you got in office. I’m willing to give Presidents the benefit of the doubt on such matters.
3) Gitmo exists for more than merely detention. It existed before the detention center there and will likely outlive the detention center.
4) The President said he would close the detention center, not the base (as far as I know).
5) This is an upgrade of the base’s communications systems so they’re not dependent on laggy, weather-impacted satellite communications. This is not an upgrade to the detention center.
6) Closing Gitmo’s detention center is not, ultimately, the issue. Holding people indefinitely without trial or charges is an offense against human dignity.

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By: tosca http://davidkretzmann.com/2012/07/obama-oversees-40-million-renovation-of-gitmo/#comment-3371 tosca Tue, 07 Aug 2012 01:14:37 +0000 http://davidkretzmann.com/?p=1723#comment-3371 President Obama’s so-called “plan to close Guantanamo” — even if it had been approved in full by Congress — did not seek to end that core injustice. It sought to do the opposite: Obama’s plan would have continued the system of indefinite detention, but simply re-located it from Guantanamo Bay onto American soil.
Long before, and fully independent of, anything Congress did, President Obama made clear that he was going to preserve the indefinite detention system at Guantanamo even once he closed the camp. President Obama fully embraced indefinite detention — the defining injustice of Guantanamo — as his own policy.The New York Times – in an article headlined “President’s Detention Plan Tests American Legal Tradition” – said Obama’s plan “would be a departure from the way this country sees itself, as a place where people in the grip of the government either face criminal charges or walk free.” In January, 2010, the Obama administration announced it would continue to imprison several dozen Guantanamo detainees without any charges or trials of any kind, including even a military commission, on the ground that they were “too difficult to prosecute but too dangerous to release.” That was all Obama’s doing, completely independent of anything Congress did.The plan was classic Obama: a pretty, feel-good, empty symbolic gesture (get rid of the symbolic face of Bush War on Terror excesses) while preserving the core abuses (the powers of indefinite detention ), even strengthening and expanding those abuses by bringing them into the U.S.In fact, Obama’s “close GITMO” plan — if it had been adopted by Congress — would have done something worse than merely continue the camp’s defining injustice of indefinite detention. It would likely have expanded those powers by importing them into the U.S. The day after President Obama’s speech proposing a system of “prolonged detention” on U.S. soil, the ACLU’s Ben Wizner told me in an interview:

It may to serve to enshrine into law the very departures from the law that the Bush administration led us on, and that we all criticized so much. And I’ll elaborate on that. But that’s really my initial reaction to it; that what President Obama was talking about yesterday is making permanent some of the worst features of the Guantanamo regime. He may be shutting down the prison on that camp, but what’s worse is he may be importing some of those legal principles into our own legal system, where they’ll do great harm for a long time.

So even if Congress had fully supported and funded Obama’s plan to “close Guantanamo,” the core injustices that made the camp such a travesty would remain. In fact, they’d not only remain, but would be in full force within the U.S. That’s what makes the prime excuse offered for Obama — he tried to end all of this but couldn’t – so misleading. He only wanted to change the locale of these injustices, but sought fully to preserve them.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/the_obama_gitmo_myth/

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By: Sara Foley Anderson http://davidkretzmann.com/2012/07/obama-oversees-40-million-renovation-of-gitmo/#comment-3331 Sara Foley Anderson Fri, 03 Aug 2012 20:47:45 +0000 http://davidkretzmann.com/?p=1723#comment-3331 Please get your facts straight. Yes, President Obama, 2 days after taking office, did sign an Executive Order which CONGRESS overturned. It was first the Democratic controlled Congress…and then the do-nothing Republican controlled Congress did the same thing. Why don’t you point out that it is only CONGRESS that did this…and only CONGRESS that can shut it down. Shame on you.

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By: Candidate Obama is not President Obama | David Kretzmann http://davidkretzmann.com/2012/07/obama-oversees-40-million-renovation-of-gitmo/#comment-3254 Candidate Obama is not President Obama | David Kretzmann Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:39:27 +0000 http://davidkretzmann.com/?p=1723#comment-3254 [...] Guantanamo Bay, and on his first day of office as President he signed and Executive Order vowing to shut down Gitmo within one [...]

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